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Nos 1200 engine, carbs and starter on Ebay Uk
hi wingers

has anyone any idea how much
a Nos engine, carbs, starter unit
would cost?
someone in Dublin is selling
the above by auction for £1000
+ shipping. seems like a good deal.
it finishes in 12 hours brit time.

would an 1985 engine, fit my 1984?

many thanks!

angel
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#1 07-04-2013, 01:11 PM,
(07-04-2013, 01:11 PM)steelhorseangel Wrote: hi wingers

has anyone any idea how much
a Nos engine, carbs, starter unit
would cost?
someone in Dublin is selling
the above by auction for £1000
+ shipping. seems like a good deal.
it finishes in 12 hours brit time.

would an 1985 engine, fit my 1984?

many thanks!

angel
Yes it will fit, the pulse generators are behind the timing belts on 85-87 engine is the difference.
joe
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#2 07-04-2013, 08:37 PM,
Make certain that it is an Aspencade or Interstate engine otherwise you'll need to spend a fortune trying to make an LTD engine work in your bike. I would love to find a NOS GL1200 engine, but, the shipping to my place, for that engine, would cost more than the engine. Good luck.
Ed (Vic) Belanger - 1954-2015
Founder of gl1200goldwings.com

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#3 07-05-2013, 04:50 AM,
hi vic

thank you for your message, good of you and other wingers.

please see this ebay link:-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Honda-Gold...AQ:GB:1123

It's not the LTD, this is the fuel injection model isn't?
This is for the '84/85' and it comes with nos carbs and starter.
What a find.

I've just sold my original home and had some spare $....
Money well spent, I think.

What I was concerned about with original engine.
It has a sticking starter clutch. I don't when the timing belts
were done. I don't know whether the clutch is worn
etc. No history on the bikes mechanics.
Pulse generators etc?

I just thought that by buying the NOS engine, same carbs etc
they can all be swopped out and rule out any failed
parts etc.

q) would it be a good idea to upgrade the stator
on the new engine?

q2) we've a good workshop here with a small heavy
duty little engine lift.
how complex is exchanging the engine.
bearing in mind that we've just overhauled the bike
with a replacement main harness. greased the drive
shaft, painted the frame etc replaced the radiator.
The bike has been treated to Motad s/s 4-2 mufflers
and the front and rear shox, replaced with Hagon progressives.
We'd great fun replacing the fork caps. The forks
were wrapped and put into the vice with chocks.
One person pushed the fork caps down with a hammer
handle, while the other used a ring spanner and turned it into place!
:-) Doubled the strength in all directions to reassemble.

The bike is stripped of its fairings, doing proper TLC
I like the look of it like this, more awesome than a HD!

We've replaced a Kawasak 750 engine once, this is was main drive
chain, but not shaft. It must be similar to doing this.
I note the frame section helps with sliding the engine sideways.
No lifting it into place.

I wonder how heavy the engine is? The guy who sold me
the Ebay engine advised 60kgs. I asked how did he know
this, he said 'it took to of us to lift it!' ?

Has anyone any idea how heavy the engine, carbs, starter
all weigh together?

Many thanks

Angel
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#4 07-05-2013, 05:17 AM,
Myself, I wouldn't bother with the original stator on this engine, don't even connect it, just install the external alternator and ride worry free.

The last GL1200 engine I shipped weighed about 350 pounds with carbs and starter.

I'm guessing that if you have never changed an engine in a GL1200 that it might take you about 8-12 hours to complete the change if you worked at a leisurely pace. Removing the right cam belt and pulley will require special attention in order that you park the pulley in the correct location before you remove it so that you don't bend a valve accidentally, read your manual first and do not turn the crankshaft when the pulley is off. Getting the driveshaft yolk splines to disengage/engage can be a little tricky, but, when doing this task for the first time you might want to remove the rear wheel and final drive to make things a wee bit easier for you, plus, it gives you a chance to lube all the driveshaft and rear wheel splines with moly 60 lube (moly 60 only, no chassis grease) and you can also inspect the u-joint at this time.

Also, be aware that the shift sensors, located inside the front cover, are different on the Interstate and Aspencade and not interchangeable at all, so, be sure that you check this because it's easier to replace the shift sensor when the engine is out of the bike and on the bench. Just rig up a jumper cable system for the sensor and check the dash display as you shift or check the engine number to be sure that the new engine is compatible with your bike.

You'll need new intake manifold o-rings (never reuse these o-rings due to the potential for hard to find vacuum leaks) and all new exhaust gaskets and I would replace the air filter and fuel filter, as well as all of the fuel hoses when doing this engine change, because even if the engine is NOS the old rubber fuel lines are still 30 years old and quite beyond their safe useful service life.

Final note: while this engine is still on the floor, drain the engine oil and fill with new, inexpensive oil and remove all the spark plugs and pour a tablespoon of oil into each cylinder and with the spark plugs still out crank the engine several spins so that the oil spreads out in the cylinders and fully lubes the engine as the oil pressure builds (you can even put an oil pressure gauge on the engine to be certain that oil pressure is good.) The reason suggest this is that your engine will have sat without running for about 30 years or so and there may be some rust, internally, on the cylinder walls and other components and firing the engine dry could severely damage components like the cams and piston rings. After the engine has started and ran up to full operating temperature then drain the oil and filter and replace with high quality oil and you will have essentially flushed away all those years of cobwebs and dust bunnies.

Good luck and I hope it runs great for you.
Ed (Vic) Belanger - 1954-2015
Founder of gl1200goldwings.com

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#5 07-05-2013, 05:53 AM,
hi admin

many thanks for your very informative
reply.

I've replaced the fuel pipes with
braided stainless steel and fuel
resistant neoprene. the drive shaft
has been moled and the drive
oil replaced. I've put in a new
air filter.

I've decided to sub contract the
engine swop out to a little
company in Newcastle. they specialize in restoring
all goldwings. they do all repairs
and are very cheap! $....as chips!

my own engine has only done
37k so a good item to sell!

thanks again for helping me admin!

kind regards

Angel :-)
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#6 07-11-2013, 01:31 AM,
No problem Angel. When you get your bike back I recommend that you check the torque on all fasteners and have a good look around the engine to ascertain that everything is correct and proper so that you end up with a safe and reliable machine. I don't care who works on your bike for money, you always must remember that money is they primary motive for them to be working on your bike. It is an extremely rare fixer that will put extra time into checking and double checking their work to make certain that everything is right, because time is of essence, alternatively, if you value your health and your life, you will take the extra time to make certain that all is right and proper with your bike before you ride it. Good luck.
Ed (Vic) Belanger - 1954-2015
Founder of gl1200goldwings.com

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#7 07-11-2013, 02:31 AM,
hi vic

many thanks for helping me vic.

gosh you're so knowledgeable!.. did your Angie ride with you a lot?
i'll bet she got a lot of attention from other road users.
i like the goggles you got for her, are they childrens
swimming goggles?

i've just had a good look at the engine. i should post a photo
on here so that you can see 'my bargain'. i've now checked
and compared the engine numbers:-

the original engine is: SC14E2429600

" nos " " : SC14E2426233

the end numbers are not that far from
the number sequence, same massive production
run? :-)

i can honestly say, i think i found a genuine bargain.

i was talking with Norman, my Cousin,
we think that we can put the engine in ourselves.
we've put other bike engines in.
Today we removed the front covers to see if
the purchase was 'as described'. it revealed genuine
unused Honda belts. I removed the timing hole plug
and having put a tablespoon of new oil into each
socket, rotate the engine to see if the 'ups' on the
wheels coincide exactly with TDC. It does.

q) How do you find exactly tdc by sight alone
matching the line through the tdc:

- ---TDC--- - with the stamped line 'left and right of the hole?'

the removal of the belts is left, then right to remove
the belts. the right then left to reassemble?

I think that we can do it, having read the section in the manual
it advises, that finding tdc EXACTLY is what is needed
to realign the rotation etc.

I've heard of mechanics using a light switch to see exactly when
tdc is located.

Thanks again for all advice wingers!

Angel
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#8 07-13-2013, 03:57 AM,
The GL1200 engine is one of the easier engines to replace Angel, mostly because a section of the lower left removes which allows a floor jack enough room to slide it in and out. Some bikes I swear they built the frame around the engine with no regard for replacement. The only, sometimes difficult part on the 1200 is the driveshaft connection which I explained earlier.

To get precise TDC you need a degree wheel and a dial indicator, but, unless you're tuning for maximum performance you don't need those items. What I do, and it works every time, is remove the spark plugs then place your finger over number one spark plug hole (the furthest forward cylinder, right front on yours) to block the passage of air, then turn the crankshaft slowly and feel the air pressure build in number one cylinder, at this point you know that you are on the compression stroke, then using a straw or piece of wood or plastic, not metal, insert the straw in the spark plug hole and slowly turn the crankshaft and you will see and feel the straw rise. Once the straw starts going down you then reverse direction of the crankshaft and then keep going back and forth slowly and gently until the straw does not move and this will indicate a very close TDC. The mark on the crankshaft should now line up within a few degrees.
Ed (Vic) Belanger - 1954-2015
Founder of gl1200goldwings.com

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#9 07-13-2013, 05:07 AM,
That's the method I've used for years too. Take your time and you will get really close.
1986 SEi Limited Edition. 1985 Aspencade
If it's not broke, I can fix that!
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#10 07-13-2013, 06:20 AM,
many thanks everyone!

all your advice is very much
appreciated. the bike is very
logically put together.
looking forward to hearing it
start and eventually riding it!

thanks again riders and wrenchers!

Angel
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#11 07-17-2013, 02:12 PM,
Good luck Angel and don't forget to post some pics.
Ed (Vic) Belanger - 1954-2015
Founder of gl1200goldwings.com

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#12 07-17-2013, 03:12 PM,
will do Vic & Angie

Someone has stolen 4 cats around
where I live. My Jerry has gone
missing. The love for your furry
friends is just like losing family.
I pray every night for his safe return.
The Vet advised that cats can
go missing for two years.
when i moved home, i forgot
to have him micro chipped.
He spent many happy hours
sat on my motorcycle seat.

I've been taking staged photos
of the restoration
and linking these references with
individual bike component folders
on my computer. I always leave
fastenings together and photograph
them to aid reassembly.

we've really enjoyed the challenge
to turn an ok bike into a better
looking one. we've shown some
friends and they're amazed at the
transformation.

where would be the best place
for the photos of the wing please?

many thanks!

Angel
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#13 07-17-2013, 03:57 PM,
So sorry about your cat. When we lost our cat a few years ago, to illness, it hurt like we lost a child, so, I think I do understand your loss.

To post pictures go to www.photobucket.com and set up an account, then upload your pics to the library and then use the IMG links to post the pics on this site. You will then have free, and safe from computer crashes, photo storage.
Ed (Vic) Belanger - 1954-2015
Founder of gl1200goldwings.com

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#14 07-17-2013, 04:05 PM,
do angle got an update?
enjoying the view from the saddle....... due mainly to the people and information found within this site
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#15 07-18-2013, 03:52 PM,


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